K181408 · United Consortium · NUC · Aug 27, 2018 · Obstetrics/Gynecology
Device Facts
Record ID
K181408
Device Name
JO Classic Hybrid Personal Lubricant
Applicant
United Consortium
Product Code
NUC · Obstetrics/Gynecology
Decision Date
Aug 27, 2018
Decision
SESE
Submission Type
Traditional
Regulation
21 CFR 884.5300
Device Class
Class 2
Indications for Use
JO Classic Hybrid Personal Lubricant is a personal lubricant for penile, anal and/or vaginal application, intended to lubricate and moisturize, to enhance the ease and comfort of intimate sexual activity and supplement the body's natural lubrication. This product is compatible with natural rubber latex and polyisoprene condoms. This product is not compatible with polyurethane condoms.
Device Story
JO Classic Hybrid Personal Lubricant is an off-white, semi-viscous, translucent gel; applied topically to penile, anal, or vaginal areas to enhance comfort during sexual activity. Device supplements natural lubrication; compatible with natural rubber latex and polyisoprene condoms. Provided in PET bottles or laminated pouches; non-sterile. Used by consumers in home settings; no physician operation required. Output is physical lubrication; aids in reducing friction during sexual activity. Benefits include increased comfort and ease of use.
Clinical Evidence
Bench testing only. Biocompatibility testing performed per ISO 10993-1 (cytotoxicity, sensitization, vaginal/penile irritation, acute systemic toxicity). Condom compatibility tested per ASTM D7661-10. Shelf-life validated via real-time and accelerated aging studies over 3 years. Antimicrobial effectiveness tested per USP <51>; microbial limits tested per USP <61> and <1111>.
Technological Characteristics
Formulation: Propylene Glycol, Water, Phenoxyethanol, Dimethicone, Cellulose Gum, Cyclopentasiloxane, Sodium Polyacrylate, Trideceth-6, PEG/PPG-18/18 Dimethicone. Viscosity: 15,000-34,000 cps. pH: 6.20-7.20. Osmolality: 350-990 mOsm/kg. Non-sterile. Packaging: PET bottles with polypropylene caps or laminated pouches. Shelf-life: 3 years.
Indications for Use
Indicated for penile, anal, and/or vaginal application to lubricate and moisturize during intimate sexual activity; supplements natural lubrication. Compatible with natural rubber latex and polyisoprene condoms; contraindicated for use with polyurethane condoms.
Regulatory Classification
Identification
A condom is a sheath which completely covers the penis with a closely fitting membrane. The condom is used for contraceptive and for prophylactic purposes (preventing transmission of sexually transmitted infections). The device may also be used to collect semen to aid in the diagnosis of infertility.
Special Controls
*Classification.* (1) Class II (special controls) for condoms made of materials other than natural rubber latex, including natural membrane (skin) or synthetic.(2) Class II (special controls) for natural rubber latex condoms. The guidance document entitled “Class II Special Controls Guidance Document: Labeling for Natural Rubber Latex Condoms Classified Under 21 CFR 884.5300” will serve as the special control. See § 884.1(e) for the availability of this guidance document.
Predicate Devices
TROJAN™ LUBRICANTS Continuous Silkiness Personal Lubricant (K120751)
Submission Summary (Full Text)
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August 27, 2018
United Consortium Stephanie Morris Regulatory Specialist 29000 N. Hancock Pkwy. Valencia, CA 91355
Re: K181408
Trade/Device Name: JO Classic Hybrid Personal Lubricant Regulation Number: 21 CFR§ 884.5300 Regulation Name: Condom Regulatory Class: II Product Code: NUC Dated: May 25, 2018 Received: May 30, 2018
Dear Stephanie Morris:
We have reviewed your Section 510(k) premarket notification of intent to market the device referenced above and have determined the device is substantially equivalent (for the indications for use stated in the enclosure) to legally marketed predicate devices marketed in interstate commerce prior to May 28, 1976, the enactment date of the Medical Device Amendments, or to devices that have been reclassified in accordance with the provisions of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (Act) that do not require approval of a premarket approval application (PMA). You may, therefore, market the device, subject to the general controls provisions of the Act. Although this letter refers to your product as a device, please be aware that some cleared products may instead be combination products. The 510(k) Premarket Notification Database located at https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfpmn/pmn.cfm identifies combination product submissions. The general controls provisions of the Act include requirements for annual registration, listing of devices, good manufacturing practice, labeling, and prohibitions against misbranding and adulteration. Please note: CDRH does not evaluate information related to contract liability warranties. We remind you, however, that device labeling must be truthful and not misleading.
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Also, please note the regulation entitled, "Misbranding by reference to premarket notification" (21 CFR Part 807.97). For questions regarding the reporting of adverse events under the MDR regulation (21 CFR Part 803), please go to http://www.fda.gov/MedicalDevices/Safety/ReportaProblem/default.htm.
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Sincerely,
Sharon M. Andrews -
for Benjamin R. Fisher, Ph.D. Director Division of Reproductive, Gastro-Renal, and Urological Devices Office of Device Evaluation Center for Devices and Radiological Health
Enclosure
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# Indications for Use
510(k) Number (if known)
K181408
Device Name
JO Classic Hybrid Personal Lubricant
#### Indications for Use (Describe)
JO Classic Hybrid Personal Lubricant is a personal lubricant for penile, anal and/or vaginal application, intended to lubricate and moisturize, to enhance the ease and comfort of intimate sexual activity and supplement the body's natural lubrication. This product is compatible with natural rubber latex and polyisoprene condoms. This product is not compatible with polyurethane condoms.
Type of Use (Select one or both, as applicable)
| Prescription Use (Part 21 CFR 801 Subpart D)
X Over-The-Counter Use (21 CFR 801 Subpart C)
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K181408 - JO Classic Hybrid Personal Lubricant
| 510(k) Owner: | | United Consortium | | |
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| Street Address: | | 29000 N. Hancock Parkway<br>Valencia, CA 91355 | | |
| Contact Person: | | Stephanie Morris<br>Regulatory Specialist | | |
| Contact Numbers: | Bruce Albert<br>Head of Technical Services | | | |
| | | Phone: (661) 295-1700, ext. 232<br>Phone: (661) 295-1700, ext. 231<br>FAX: (661) 295-1800 | | |
| Preparation Date: | | August 9, 2018 | | |
| Trade Name: | | JO Classic Hybrid Personal Lubricant | | |
| Common Name: | | Personal Lubricant | | |
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| Device Classification: | Regulation Name:<br>Regulation Number:<br>Product Code:<br>Device Class: | Condom<br>21 CFR § 884.5300<br>NUC (lubricant, personal)<br>Class II | | |
| Predicate Device: | Product Name:<br>510(k) Number:<br>Manufacturer: | TROJAN™ LUBRICANTS Continuous<br>Silkiness Personal Lubricant<br>K120751<br>Church & Dwight Co., Inc. | | |
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## K181408 - 510(k) Summary
The predicate device has not been subject to a design-related recall.
Product Code:
Device Class:
#### Device Description:
JO Classic Hybrid Personal Lubricant is an off-white, semi-viscous, translucent gel type personal lubricant that is compatible with condoms made of natural rubber latex and polyisoprene. This product is not compatible with polyurethane condoms. This device is a non-sterile personal lubricant for penile, anal and/or vaginal application, to lubricate and moisturize, to enhance the ease and comfort of intimate sexual activity and supplement the body's natural lubrication.
NUC Class II
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This product is provided in clear, Polyethylene Terephthalate (PET) cylinder bottles. The 1 oz. size bottles are capped with natural polypropylene disc top dispenser caps. The 2 oz., 4 oz. and 8 oz. size bottles are capped with silver polypropylene disc top dispenser caps. The individual bottles are hermetically sealed during the production process. This product is also available in polyester-faced laminated pouches.
The device specifications are listed in the table below:
| Property | Specification |
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| Appearance | Opaque thick liquid |
| Color | Off-white |
| Odor | Odorless |
| Viscosity (cps) | 15,000 cps to 34,000 cps |
| pH | 6.20 to 7.20 |
| Specific Gravity | 0.950 to 1.075 |
| Osmolality | 350 - 599 mOsm/kg (diluted 1:10 with purified water) and 600 -<br>990 mOsm/kg (undiluted) |
| Antimicrobial effectiveness per USP <51> | Meets US <51> acceptance criteria for Category 2<br>products |
| Total aerobic microbial count (TAMC) per USP<br><61> and <1111> | Less than 10 cfu/g |
| Total yeast and mold count (TYMC) per USP <61><br>and <1111> | Less than 10 cfu/g |
| Presence of Pathogens per USP <62> | |
| Pseudomonas aeruginosa | Absent |
| Staphylococcus aureus | Absent |
| Salmonella/Shigella | Absent |
| Escherichia coli | Absent |
| Candida albicans | Absent |
#### Table 1: Device Specifications for JO Classic Hybrid Personal Lubricant
#### Indications for Use:
JO Classic Hybrid Personal Lubricant is a personal lubricant for penile, anal and/or vaginal application, intended to lubricate and moisturize, to enhance the ease and comfort of intimate sexual activity and supplement the body's natural lubrication. This product is compatible with natural rubber latex and polyisoprene condoms. This product is not compatible with polyurethane condoms.
### Predicate Device Comparison:
The table below lists the comparative indications for use and technological characteristics of the subject and predicate device.
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### Table 2: Comparator Table for Subject Device – JO Classic Hybrid Personal Lubricant and Predicate Device TROJAN™ LUBRICANTS Continuous Silkiness Personal Lubricant
| Feature | JO Classic Hybrid Personal Lubricant | TROJAN™ LUBRICANTS Continuous Silkiness Personal Lubricant (K120751) |
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| Device Classification Name | Lubricant, Personal | Lubricant, Personal |
| Product Code | NUC | NUC |
| Indications for Use | JO Classic Hybrid Personal Lubricant<br>is a personal lubricant for penile,<br>anal and/or vaginal application,<br>intended to lubricate and<br>moisturize, to enhance the ease<br>and comfort of intimate sexual<br>activity and supplement the body's<br>natural lubrication. This product is<br>compatible with natural rubber<br>latex and polyisoprene condoms.<br>This product is not compatible with<br>polyurethane condoms. | TROJAN™ LUBRICANTS Continuous<br>Silkiness Personal Lubricant is a<br>personal lubricant, for penile<br>and/or vaginal application,<br>intended to lubricate and<br>moisturize, to enhance the ease<br>and comfort of intimate sexual<br>activity and supplement the<br>body's natural lubrication. This<br>product is compatible with natural<br>rubber latex and polyisoprene<br>condoms. Not compatible with<br>polyurethane or other condoms. |
| Water soluble | Yes | Yes |
| Contains water | Yes | Yes |
| Primary ingredients | Propylene Glycol, Water (Aqua),<br>Phenoxyethanol, Dimethicone,<br>Cellulose Gum, Cyclopentasiloxane,<br>Sodium Polyacrylate, Trideceth-6,<br>PEG/PPG-18/18 Dimethicone | Propylene Glycol, Water,<br>Dimethicone, Dimethicone/Vinyl<br>Dimethicone Crosspolymer,<br>Hydroxyethyl Acrylate, Sodium<br>Acryloyl Dimethyl Taurate<br>Copolymer, Methylparaben,<br>Propylparaben |
| Over the counter use | Yes | Yes |
| Sterile | No | No |
| Condom Compatibility | Natural Rubber Latex, Polyisoprene | Natural Rubber Latex,<br>Polyisoprene |
| Biocompatibility Tested | Yes | Yes |
| Antimicrobial Tested | Yes | Yes |
| Shelf life | 3 years | 2 years |
The subject and predicate device have similar indications for use. The indication for the subject device has been expanded to also include anal use. This change does not represent a new intended use as the intended use of this device is the same as the predicate device, i.e., lubrication of an orifice during intimate sexual activity. The subject and predicate device have different technological characteristics, including differences in formulation and a different shelf life. The different technological characteristics of the subject device do not raise different types of safety and effectiveness questions.
Summary of Performance Data:
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# K181408 - JO Classic Hybrid Personal Lubricant
#### Biocompatibility
Biocompatibility studies were performed in accordance with the 2016 FDA guidance document Use of International Standard ISO 10993-1, "Biological Evaluation of Medical Devices – Part 1: Evaluation and testing within a risk management process" and ISO 10993- 1:2009 as follows:
- Cytotoxicity (ISO 10993-5:2009)
- Sensitization (ISO 10993-10:2010)
- Vaginal Irritation (ISO 10993-10:2010)
- Penile Irritation (ISO 10993-10:2010)
- . Acute Systemic Toxicity (ISO 10993-11:2006)
The results of this testing demonstrated that the subject lubricant is biocompatible.
#### Shelf-Life:
The subject device is a non-sterile personal lubricant with a three-year shelf-life in accordance with the results of a real time and accelerated aging study. All device specifications listed in Table 1 were tested at 0, 1, 2 and 3 years. The subject device met the device specifications at all time points.
### Condom Compatibility:
The compatibility of the subject device with natural rubber latex, polyisoprene and polyurethane condoms was evaluated in accordance with ASTM D7661-10 Standard Test Method for Determining Compatibility of Personal Lubricants with Natural Rubber Latex Condoms. The results of this test indicated that JO Classic Hybrid Personal Lubricant is compatible with natural rubber latex and polyisoprene condoms. This device is not compatible with polyurethane condoms.
#### Conclusion:
The results of the performance testing described above demonstrate that the JO Classic Hybrid Personal Lubricant is as safe and effective as the predicate device and supports a determination of substantial equivalence.
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